Cleaning Toilets While Planning The Corner Office

They told me “no” twice and I still became a director. 

That’s the headline, but the real story is what happens in the middle: the quiet self-trust, the strategic next steps, and the way leadership skills get built long before you ever get the title.

I’m taking you through my path from studying education in Florida to managing a ropes challenge course where communication, safety, and team leadership were non-negotiable. Back then, I didn’t even realize I was learning coaching skills. I was listening for what groups needed, designing experiences, leading teams, and debriefing lessons, all the building blocks of confident leadership and mindset management.

Then comes the pivot: visualization, intuition, and spiritual alignment guiding a move to Colorado, a fresh start, and a career transition that begins with humble work and big belief. I talk about loving early childhood education, noticing misalignment with how leadership treated teachers, and deciding I wanted to be the kind of leader who protects the team while still running a strong business. If you’ve been craving more money, more impact, or more autonomy, this will help you name what you want and take the next best step toward it.

We also get real about rejection, persistence, and the spark that can fade when you isolate. I share what helps me reignite motivation, plus how prayer and personal responsibility can work together as the “magic sauce” for creating results. 

If you’re ready to stop treating “no” like a verdict and start treating it like direction, press play, then subscribe, share with a friend, and leave a review so more people can find the show.

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Welcome And What To Expect

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Hi friends, and welcome to Believe Like a Boss. I'm your host, Life Coach Mandy Camille. Join me as I teach you how to smash your goals and expand the possibility of your life through mindset management, spiritual alignment, and authentic action. I'll teach you how to create what I like to call a life of thrive with ease and authenticity. It's time to play with what's possible. Are you ready? Let's go.

Sponsor And Program Invitation

Why This Story Matters

College Leadership And Ropes Course

Moving To Colorado Through Intuition

Loving Teaching And Wanting Better Leadership

Becoming A Director After Two No’s

Rekindling Your Spark And Next Steps

Rating Request And Coaching Invite

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All right, welcome back, my friends, to episode three, season eight of Believe Like a Boss. I'm so excited. We're about to dive in in just a moment, but I want to let you know that this episode is sponsored by myself. It is sponsored by the Art of Magnetism. It is my newest group coaching course that kicks off on May 19th. It's all about confidence and co-creation, being your most confident self so that you can co-create the reality that you want. That is the life, the love, the legacy that you want to have in your life. If you're tired of playing small, feeling small, not feeling like you can use your voice, feeling like you're ready to be more confident so you can call in and have the life that you want create those new results that you keep thinking about. Come and join me. We kick off May 19th. Go to Nandicamille.com to learn more. Hello, hello, hello. Welcome back to another episode of Believe Like a Boss. I am your host, life coach, Nandi Camille. Welcome back, my friends. This week we're gonna do a little bit of story time. So usually on the podcast, we do concepts, different types of words, affirmations, or neuroscience concepts, or spirituality concepts, or leadership concepts, right? We talk a lot about concepts, how to, right? But today I want to talk about a story. I want to talk about my story. Um there's several parts of my story, and I actually am very excited to sprinkle these parts of my story into the podcast so you all can get to know me, my contacts, my background a little bit more, um, why I love what I do, how I got into what I do, and why I feel like I am one of the best coaches in the United States of America that you could hire to help you achieve your goals. I say that with confidence. I'd say I am the best. There are a lot of fantastic coaches out there, but I would put myself up there amongst the best because I help my clients get results, because I help myself get results. So I'm gonna talk a little bit about those results and what I've created, what I've done for myself over the years and some of the concepts that I've used, I'll sprinkle those throughout it. And it becomes less of like, you know, storytelling of how to use affirmations, but more it's like, this is how I used my affirmations. This is how I used whatever the tools are. We'll see what tools we we stumble upon in the story time. But I want to tell the story of how I became a director. How I became a school director. And I've been a school director several times over, right? I have, I'm now in between projects and I'm deciding whether or not I'm going back into education. So right now I just finished a project where we hired 40 teachers, built a new school from scratch, got that school launched, so I'm not there anymore. Um, and that's the very last project that I've worked on in education. And now I'm just in this fork in the road where it's like, okay, do I continue to expand my coaching business? Is that where I want to put all of my energy? Do I want to go um and pick up another project in education, several projects? Do I change how I'm showing up in education? Maybe I start consulting in education instead of taking on director roles. But so I'm in a fork in the road. But with me being in the fork in the road, I have been reflecting on what's gotten me here, how I've gotten to this place. So I graduated in 2015 from Florida University with my degree in education. Background to that, um, I spent, what was it, 2011 to 2015 going to school. So four years I got my bachelor's. Um, Flora Atlantic is in Boca Raton, Florida. I always have to say it that way. Boca Raton. What's funny though is that it literally means rat's mouth. Boca is mouth, raton is rat. So I Boca is known as one of these like affluent, beautiful spaces next door to Miami. It's about an hour away, but it is really funny that it's literally called Rat's Mouth. I still love it. It's one of my favorite places. I cannot wait to bring Tyler to Boca and to South Florida. I'm hoping it happens this year, maybe next year, but I haven't brought him yet. And it's one of the things I'm looking forward to so much because I loved my school. I was 10 minutes from the beach, absolutely loved it. It was the most diverse school in all of Florida. That's part of why I chose it. I also chose it because my degree was in education. That's what I was going to school for. And in the state of Colorado, state of Colorado, I was in Florida before. In the state of Florida, uh, that was one of the top schools for their education program. So that's why I went there. So loved it. I was on the dance team while I was there. Not the school dance team. I was part of a dance troupe. Um, I hosted a lot of um pageants. So I never competed in pageants for the fraternities and sororities. I hosted them. Um, I was involved in so many different things. I was on at least three executive boards in my four years that I was there. National residence hall honorary. I was on the executive board for my dance troop, and then I was on an executive board for just my building itself. Um, and I was an RA. So I wore many hats. So again, I'm giving you context for who I was and and why I feel so strongly about leadership. I have been in leadership positions since I was in the fourth grade, but I really beefed that up when I was in college. So I'm have all these positions. I'm getting my degree in education, and then I'm working at a ropes challenge course. The ropes challenge course is think about a ropes wall or um, but expand it. So when you go to a gym and you see a rock wall, that's just one part of the ropes challenge course. So I had, I was outside, we're outside floor, so it's just hot. Um, but there's a rock wall, and then there's a climbing course where we have a variety of um, we call them on the ground and in-the-air initiatives. The in-the-air initiatives are all climbing elements that are 20, 25 feet in the air, depending on what the element is. And so I was trained on setting people up and down the wall. I was trained on how to train other ballet masters. I was the manager of the ropes course. And so then I would take in halfway homes, halfway, we were the halfway home capital of the United States of America, Delray Beach was, which Delray Beach was about, I don't know, 15 minutes from Boca. And so I'm pretty sure it still is the halfway home capital of the United States. So there's so many, there's halfway homes there, meaning that there are homes where um young adults, that's who I was with. Halfway homes can have all different demographics in it. But I was specifically working with young adults anywhere from call it like 13 to 20, 21, maybe my age, but really they were mostly like 13 to 18, I'd say. And they were working on communication. They were living together in a home for the first time. Um, they were butting heads, they were getting to know each other. Maybe they didn't know each other enough to butt heads, right? There were different reasons that they were being brought to me. I had all girls groups, I had boys' groups, I had co-ed groups. That was the number one group that I was working with. Other than that, I was working with the YMCA, I was working with John Bajus, ESP, and all sorts of different groups would come in, summer camps, all different ages, but my bread and butter were the halfway homes. This is where I fell in love with coaching, right? And so I get my degree in education, I work for all four years on the ropes challenge course. By my third and fourth year, I'm the ropes challenge course manager. So again, another leadership position. I am scheduling these um people call the ropes course. And so then I get on the phone with them, like, we want to schedule a half day or a full day camp for you know my leaders or for my halfway home. And these are the concepts, and this is what we need to work on, and this is what they're struggling with. And so already I'm learning about coaching, and I had no idea that I was learning about coaching, but I'm taking in this information and then I would build out these programs, either myself or somebody from my team. So I'd get a phone call and the person would be like, I'm bringing out a halfway home, it's all girls, they just moved in together, or they will have just moved in together. So we need them to do some icebreakers and then some stuff on communication because they're gonna have to learn how to communicate with each other. I'm like, okay, cool. So then if I selfishly, if I really won the group, I'd put myself on it, right? Or if I knew they're like, oh, actually, like Jason, I'm making up a name. I don't remember any of my coworkers' names except for my boss, Sarah Canatze. Love her. She's fantastic. Um, she was such a great mentor. But my teammates would be like, oh, Jason would be great with this group. I'm gonna put him on it. So I have to listen to the group's needs, design a day around that group's needs in the air and on the ground initiatives. If it's a four-hour day, then I'm planning two hours of on the ground and two hours of in the air. If it's a six or eight-hour day, then we're expanding that. And then I'm deciding whether myself or somebody from my team who's gonna run it. Or if it's they are sending me 50 to 100 people, okay, cool. I need more than just me and one other person. It's gonna be me and these four other team members that are running this program. I now need to debrief them on who's coming into our ropes challenge course, what their needs on are, and what the breakdown of the day is. Then when the people would come onto the campus at the ropes challenge course, then you're training beyond teaching like leadership and communication. We're doing that. But before you even get onto the ropes challenge course, you have to teach people how to put on a harness. And let me tell you, that is kind of tricky. Teaching people how to put on something they've never put on before that's going to be the difference of life and death. Truly. If they fall 20, 25 feet from the air and I don't have this harness on them correctly, they could be seriously injured or they could die. And I'm 18 to 21 doing this, right? But it taught me so much about my own capability, about trusting myself, about trusting my equipment, about putting on equipment correctly, about communicating correctly on how to put on the equipment so that these people aren't dying on my course. Nobody ever fell. Just so you know, if you're like, did anybody ever fall? No one ever fell. In the four years that I worked there, anytime I was there, I never dropped anybody, nobody ever fell underneath my supervision, never had an injury under my supervision. And so there's all that context. Now, this is a story about me becoming a director, but I needed to give all of that because while I'm studying education, I'm learning about, like I said, leadership, communication, how to be a leader, what it looks like to lead teams, what it looks like to communicate with large groups about leadership, communication, teamwork, having hard conversations, right? I'm learning all these coaching concepts without understanding that I'm learning about coaching concepts. So I graduate in August of 2015 and I move out to Denver, Colorado. At the time, I'm not moving out to Denver, Colorado. I'm actually just flying out here for a trip. I'm just flying out here to hang out with my grandparents, to hang out with my honestly, I haven't even met him yet. I was about to say soon to be husband, but like I just came out here to hang out with my grandparents. I'm single, I just graduated college, I didn't have a job lined up. I actually didn't feel super called to jump right into education. I was like, I want to see what's out there. And I always felt that I wanted to be an entrepreneur. I just didn't know what that looked like. So, more context. I'm also um, while I'm a roach challenge course supervisor, I'm also a cycling instructor while I'm in college. So multi-passionate, always have been. Love helping out the multi-passionate ladies because I get it. So I'm a cycling instructor and I'm also in the road challenge course and I'm studying education. And I graduate and I just have all these passions. I'm just like, there's I'm passionate about all these different things. And I feel like I want to be an entrepreneur, but I don't really know what that looks like just yet. So I graduated in 2015, and my mom's like, hey, instead of your grandparents buying two tickets to come out to Colorado or to come out to Florida because it's hot out there, why don't you just ask them to buy you one ticket to go to Colorado since you're wanting to go out there? And at this point, I have ordered Colorado tourist magazines. They're in my um, I'm off campus at this point. I'm renting a room in a townhouse, and I have these Colorado tourist magazines sent to the townhouse and I'm looking through them and I'm just really imagining, visualizing. And so let me break the third wall for a second. There are so many times that you all are already using manifestation, visualization, coaching techniques, and you're just not trusting yourself, you're not giving yourself enough credit, right? This is again before I'm learning truly that I'm doing anything coaching or manifestation related. I'm just following my intuition, and that's why I think that trusting ourselves is so important. Please trust your intuition, trust the Holy Spirit. Whatever language works best for you. I'm I use those two interchangeably. Holy Spirit, intuition, I think they're the same thing. Take what sticks of you, leave the rest. But my intuition said, I want to go to this new place. Let's visualize it. Let's look at these magazines, let's order them, let's see what it might look like to live there. Let's imagine living there. I spoke it out loud, and then my mom's like, let's get your grandparents to get you a ticket. Great. Now I'm not even paying to go out to Colorado at this point. I've just graduated from college. And so breaking the third wall to tell you, like, trust yourself, just trust the process, right? Don't think, am I doing this right? Am I doing it wrong? Does it feel good? Does it feel no limit? Is your soul, like we talked about last week, joyful anticipation? Is your soul being joyfully pulled in a direction? That's what we're talking about. Okay. So I'm looking at these magazines. I fly out to Denver. My grandparents have been here my entire life. Uh, they moved from one house to another when I was a kid on the same street. So they've been here my whole life. So I'm out here in Colorado and I'm originally here for a two-week trip. And I'm just I'm out here, so I'm hanging out, I'm eating berries. Literally, I had this image in my mind of me sitting on the deck of my grandparents' uh back patio. It's sunny outside. Graduation is actively happening at college, but I skipped my college graduation and I'm literally sitting on their porch eating an avocado and berries and drinking like crisp rocky mountain water, feeling so grateful to be out in Colorado and not walking across the stage with a cap and gown on. That just was that was me. And I just didn't need it. I was like, I don't know these people that I'm gonna be sitting next to at the ceremony. I just need to get out. I'm ready to go into the world. Like, I'm just ready. So I come out here to Colorado. This little side story that many of you know is I got on a dating app. Tyler and I met on that dating app. We dated for two weeks, and I told him after that two weeks, if I find or when in that two weeks, if I find a job, then I'll stay and we'll see what happens because I'm not gonna mooch off of my grandparents. So I get a job. I ended up staying. As you all know, Tyler ends up being my husband, and it ends up working out beautifully. So in the marriage area, great. Like that was so just serendipitous in alignment. I met him, he's the only person I met on the dating apps, literally the only person that I like met in the world. Um, he had met three other people before he met me and almost didn't go on the date with me because he had such a poor experience. I'm so grateful that I had an opposite experience. So we met online, but he's the only person I ever met online in the world. And so I got a job, and my first job out here in Colorado was being uh a gym teacher. I was my gym children's fitness instructor. And what that was is I had, I think we started at like maybe three month-olds, maybe, maybe it was six month-olds. It might start at six months, like six months to like 12 years is approximately the age group that's at my gym that we're taking care of. And when I say taking care of, it's not a daycare. So ma, it's think mommy and me playtime, right? But fathers, everybody, aunts, uncles can all go. But there's or nannies, right? But think mommy and me playtime. So we do gym classes, we do like with six-month-olds doing gymnastics, having moms like hold their babies and doing a little gymnastics rollover, like and then patting the ground and singing together. Like, can you imagine this? Can you imagine me doing this? We're all sitting in a circle singing songs and like patting the ground and rolling our babies around. It was so much fun, y'all. We had so much fun. I then ended up being the dance teacher there and just had a ball. I was dance you too for like a hot second because then I got an opportunity to be a preschool teacher. So, again, let me back up, let me give you some context. When I started this journey, I'm just recently graduated from college. I am honestly just wide-eyed and bushy-tailed. Like, what has the world got to offer me? What is what's gonna be my next adventure? What's this next chapter all about? There's just so much joy and excitement, and I feel like that is so important. When I'm coaching women and we're working on our goals, when we're working on getting to the next level, we're working through a transition. I really, really love this particular tool, and that is leaning into this effervescent, excited energy. And the example that I use when I'm coaching is teenage energy. That's the energy that I use for clients because I think that it's really easy for us to like think about who we were when we were teenagers, like so excited about who we were gonna be as adults and driving and like having our first kiss. There's just all this anticipation, right? Joyful anticipation. And so I am just I've graduated college, I'm just in this joyful anticipation. I'm just like, I'm a new gym teacher, I don't know what's gonna happen in my life. I'm not over here like I haven't figured it out yet. I'm just like, I'm fresh to the world. Let me go figure it out. I'm in this new relationship, I'm a gym teacher. This is gonna be so fun. So I'm excited about life. And at the same time, there's a part of me that's like, I got this degree in education and I like to grow. I like to be in leadership positions. So I I want to be a professional. While this gym job is so fun, and honestly, I'm still so at the time the manager um she became the owner. I'm still friends with her to this day. That was my very, very first job in um Colorado. She and I are still friends, we'll still get lunch every once in a while together. And so I moved into being a preschool teacher. I was like, I really would like to be more professional. I want to take my degree into full time. I got my degree in education. One of my pet peeves was hearing all the people when I was in college. I hated hearing all the people that are like, oh yeah, I got my degree in this, but I don't even use it. I got my degree in this, I don't even use it. And to be fair and to be honest, it happens, right? We get our degree as young children because truly you're 18 and the world tells you pick what you're gonna do for the rest of your life at 18 when you don't know, you know, about yourself, but you don't really know so much about the world. So you're doing your best to make a guess on what you want to do as a career. But you know, a lot of times we're not quite on the mark of what's truly gonna be fulfilling for us. I'm really grateful in that I chose something that I really actually do enjoy and wanted to pursue as a profession. So I was like, I'm going into education. That's what I got my degree in. And I fought, I didn't really fight people, but I got a lot of guff for going into education, that it wasn't a real career, that I wasn't gonna make any money in it, that I wasn't gonna be profitable in it. And that's why my dad said doctor, lawyer, engineer, right? And so I went into education with a sass that like I'm going into this because I love children. I love human behavior, I love human development, I love learning about the family culture, um, I love people. And so working with children gives me a chance to work with like the base of people and how we develop and how we become. And it also allows me to be playful. I love being playful, I love being creative, I like to be silly. I don't want to have a stuffy job. I want to have a colorful, fun, exciting job, right? And to be honest, I probably should have looked into marketing, right? We're not gonna shit on ourselves, but thinking back as I have perspective now on life, marketing would have been a really great avenue for me. But I chose education. So I go into becoming a preschool teacher, and I love it, and I don't. I really love the creativity piece. I love the ownership of my classroom. Man, I can run a classroom as a preschool teacher. I have three and four-year-olds in my classroom, if not four and five-year-olds. I mean, I have four and five-year-olds, but I loved them and I loved talking to them. I loved nurturing them. I loved help to help to mold them. I help loved helping them to understand social emotional regulation and helping them to understand how to be upset but not be mean, how to things that you know, sometimes adults forget. I loved being a part of that process with children and then being a part of that process with their parents, of helping their parents then bridge the gap. This is how you communicate with your little person while also having boundaries. You know, how do you show up as a parent that, you know, goes after their own goals and is still a parent, right? I got to use my coaching app without knowing it still with parenting. And so I'm a preschool teacher and I'm loving it and I'm enjoying it. But the part that I don't enjoy is that the owner of this business, I find, is not the most kind. I find that she is a little bit condescending, is a little judgmental, doesn't run her business, in my opinion, the best way. And so that's what really itches my little scratch for being in leadership again. Again, I had been in leadership from the fourth grade all the way up until this point. And at this point, I'm like, I feel like I'm in a leadership position because I'm leading a classroom, right? As a preschool teacher, as a teacher, as a parent, you are a leader, period. Right. So I was in a leadership position, but I was hungry for more. As I noticed that this owner wasn't being kind to their team, I was like, I think I want to be a director. Now our director was really nice. She was really sweet, but in my opinion, didn't do enough to advocate for the teachers. Was very much good at being a yes man. She needed to protect herself, protect her job. She also contacts had lost her, I think, daughter um recently. So it was going through her own things. So I I was just observing as a teacher. I said, you know, I I think that I can have a positive impact here. I think that I can move into leadership. And that does a few things for me. It makes me a little bit more money, which is exciting because I'm I I was again, I came into this industry knowing that people made fun of this industry. You're in education, you're never gonna make any money. And I knew coming into this industry, I was going to debunk that. I was going to beat that, not for lack of a what is a better way to say that? I was going to break that expectation. There's an expectation that you're only gonna make so much and you're you're gonna be unhappy and underpaid. I didn't want to live that way. That was not an alignment for me. I'm not going to be unhappy and underpaid as a teacher. I chose this career because I love children and I'm going to make money doing it. And so the way that I could do that was getting into leadership. I can make more money being in leadership and still be in my career and I'm Enjoy it. And leadership sounds like fun to me because now I can have an impact on a team that I felt was missing when I was a preschool teacher. So I started applying to assistant director positions and I got one. I was a preschool teacher for a year and a half before then I became an assistant director of a before and after school program. So I'm gonna give you a little bit less context and I'm gonna abbreviate this a little bit. But I went from being an assistant director, I was there for I think a year, to then being a director. And so this program, before and after school, think of like a district. So it was a part of a district, and so I went from being an assistant director at one school to the director at a different school. So it was essentially still working for the same district, the same company, so to speak. I just then got moved to another school group. So now I'm 20, oh, I think I was 24. I think I was 24 when I first became a director. And I'm like, was I younger than that? 24 feels safe. Um when I first became a director. So let me back up. If you are wanting, if you're wanting something different, I want you to trust yourself that that's okay. I noticed that when I was a preschool teacher, what I wanted differently was a different type of leadership style. I wanted a leadership style that felt like it truly cared about the teachers in the space just as much as they cared about the parents and the money walking through the door. That was my perspective, right? And so that was important. But then also trusting myself to know that I could have that kind of impact. Because I think sometimes what happens is we think those thoughts, I could have an impact, I could do this, but then we don't trust ourselves to follow through. We talk ourselves out of it. I didn't. I said, no, I can do this. I've never been a director before, but I know based on my skills as a preschool teacher, I've been a ropes challenge course manager. I had manager, managerial experience before. I knew I had the ability to bring my skills into a new space. So I just want to pause again, break the third wall for a second, break the story for a second. Are you what is the thing for you? Are you wanting to make more money? Do you want to lead a team? Do you feel strongly that you could run your own business better than the business person that you're working for right now? Yeah, that like allow that. Allow that. And then trust yourself. What might be the next best step? For me, the next best step was applying to assistant director roles, right? Of course I wanted to be a director, of course I wanted to like be in charge, but for me, the next best step was applying to assistant director roles. So I did that, worked for that for a little while, had an opportunity to step into a director role, applied, got it. And let me also give some more context to that. I didn't get the first director role I applied to, I got the third one. The first director role I applied to, they said it was too soon. Because let me tell you, as soon as I got into that assistant director role, I had my eyes on the director role. I was like, I can do this, I can do the director role. I'm gonna do this assistant director role to the nth degree. And again, I am still friends with the director when I was her assistant director, still friends with her to this day. Right. So I did the job, I did it really well. I was so ready to jump into a director role immediately. And so I want to say, probably within like six months, I applied to a director role. I was like, I can do this. They're like, this is a little, this is a little soon. You know, again, I think I was like 23, 24. They're like, it's a little soon. You don't need to be a director. I was like, I can do this. Like, I fully believe in myself and my ability to lead these teams, lead these children, lead this business because it was beyond teaching at this point. I was doing before and after school camps. So it's registration. I'm hiring teachers that are gonna work summer camp or work different breaks. I'm creating a daily schedule every single day. I'm working with finances, I'm working with different subsidies that different parents work with so that they can pay for the before and after school. Like I just knew I could do it. First time they told me no. Second time I apply, they told me no again. They're like, no, we don't really want to send you here, right? So, my friends, listen to this is the parts I'm gonna keep breaking the third wall. Have you been told no? And that's the reason why you're like, oh, I can't do it. Because somebody told me no once. Because somebody told me no twice. Right? They told me no, they told me no again, right? And then it did, I said, okay. So then I waited. A few more director roles came up, and at this point I started to be strategic. I was like, okay, cool. They already turned me down twice. Let me just hang tight. I'm not gonna apply to the next, I think it was two or three other director roles that came up. I'm not gonna apply to it. Then another one came up that was my sister school. So again, we're in a district, and there are, I don't know, call it 18 schools in the district, maybe 24, 18 to 24 schools in the district. There are two to three of them that are paired up together as sister schools. Those sister schools then come together for the breaks for summer break, for spring break, for winter break. Those schools then combine at one of the schools within that group. So then I waited, and one of my sister schools came up. I then applied to one of my sister schools, to that school, and got the job. Trust the process. Had I gotten the first or the second school, maybe it would have worked out just fine. But I had such a better experience because I got the third school, because it was then a sister school. So then my director, when I then became a director and she got a new assistant director, I then kept working with her. So now she's a director at one school. I'm now the director at her sister school, and now I get to work with somebody that I already know and love. Right. So trust the process. Trust yourself, whatever it is that you're feeling called towards, whatever you feel really passionate about that you can create change in, trust that. Trust the process. I guess the next step is take the next best step. That's what I just said. So trust yourself, take the next best step, and then trust the process. Right? Had I just given up, I might not have been a director, but I was like, no, I'm gonna do this. I'm gonna do this. And that wasn't the last director position that I had. I went on to then build a Montessori from scratch. So I went back into early childhood education. I went to become an executive director for another nonprofit school, help them to get some things cleaned up. Went to go and start another private sector school, built that school that's the most recent one with 40 students, right? So I went on to then go and be a director several times over and help other schools build out their projects, build out their teams, build out their programs, whatever it is. But I had like there's there's a fire in us. And sometimes that fire dies out. And so I think it's really important if you're in that spot, if you're feeling like my fire is out right now. I want you to expose yourself to different environments. I want you to expose yourself to different places, people, and things. When we, when our fire dies out, I know that for me, what happens is I want to isolate and I want to isolate really hard. I want to like figure it out in my own little bubble. But that doesn't usually serve me or work the best. What normally serves me is getting out in the world, having lunch with a friend, going to a conference, going to a yoga session, whatever it is. But then when you get out in the world and you move your body and you meet new people and you talk about new concepts, that that's normally where I find my spark again. So if you feel like your fire has died out, I want you to go expose yourself to new things, get out in the world, go have some conversations, go drum up that spark. For those of you that have that spark, though, hold on to that spark, keep that flame going by learning more about whatever it is you're excited about, by taking action in the direction of whatever it is that you are excited about, right? I did not become a director overnight. I wanted to become a director when I graduated college because I was like, I need to be in a leadership position if I'm ever gonna make any money. But my very first job was a gym teacher. And it wasn't actually in a gym, it's called My Gym Children's Fitness Center. So it's in a fitness space for children. But that's what I called myself as like I'm a gym teacher, right? But had I been like, and you're never gonna amount to anything and you're never gonna get anywhere. If that's the way I spoke to myself, I would have created that result. I remember literally cleaning that toilet. I'm in the back and then we're cleaning toilets. It's not just me, like the team. It's like a team clean day. I think we did it on Fridays. It's a team clean day and we're cleaning. And I have this memory of cleaning the toilet in the back of the my gym children's fitness center and being like, one day I could own this place. Not in a way that like I didn't think the manager or the owner was doing a bad job, but just like that's how much I believed in my ability to lead and my ability to own and my ability to be a business owner or a leader or an executive, whatever it was. I just knew that that was where I was going. Period. Like truly, it was clean that toilet. I could own this, this place one day. This is just the beginning of my story. Wherever you are, maybe you're in the middle, but maybe you're in the beginning. But know that you're not at the end. If you're not where you want to be, you're not at the end. And my friend, I have hit some of the boxes of where I wanted to be. And guess what? We have what's called hedonic adaptation. Welcome to being human. We climb one mountain, we see another. So I got to the top of my career being a director, helping to build schools from scratch. And now I'm at this place where I'm like, what's next? Do I want to keep building schools? Do I want to build my life coaching business to a whole new level? Do I want to do a little bit of both? Do I want to do something completely different? My spark is a little bit all over the place right now, if I'm being honest with y'all, and I'll keep y'all posted with what's happening. But for those of you who have that smart spark, keep that flame lit. Trust yourself. Trust the vision that's been placed in your heart and your spirit, wherever it's been placed. Trust it. What is the next best step you can take? And if you're taking steps, this is me encouraging you to continue taking steps. And if you've tripped and if you've fallen and if you've gotten bruised along the way, me too. Me, we can swap stories, but don't let that be a reason that you stop taking the next steps towards the next goal. And if you don't know, maybe it's not that the flame is out. It's just that you're like, I don't, I don't really know which direction I want to go and I don't really know what I want to do. Get quiet and take care of yourself. Take care of your health, take care of your well-being. Always, always that's the case, but especially in seasons where we're like, I don't really know what's next. It's like, okay, well, what have you done to take care of your soul? Because sometimes when we just get quiet and it's like, I really love scrapbooking or I really love rock climbing, sometimes the next best idea, the business idea, leadership idea, organization idea, gathering idea, event idea comes from doing the thing that's just fun. It has nothing to do with it, right? So play with it. Play with it. The point of my story, though, today, I think there's a lot of points of today's story, is the treasure process, have fun. Know that it's not over. I feel like there's so much that it that I want to give you. I hope that you enjoyed the story too. Of of knowing that it's squiggly, of knowing that it as much as we all want to like be overnight successes, it the overnight success is the person who spent years, months, so many days, nights putting time and effort into that goal so that it could become an overnight success, right? But for the person, whatever your goal is, whether it's becoming a mom, starting a business, changing careers, maybe you want to be a director. Trust that you can do it. Connect with the version of you who already has it. Take the next best step. And remember to get quiet along the way for two different reasons. Get quiet. I take with six, you leave the rest. Get quiet to just get quiet. Truly just like breathe. See how your body feels, see how you're feeling in a moment. Am I enjoying this work that I'm doing? Am I enjoying how I'm showing up in the world? How do I feel when I wake up in the morning? Right, like truly get quiet to ask those questions, but then get quiet to pray. Right? If you're feeling misguided, if you're feeling confused, if you're feeling a lack of confidence, if you're feeling a lack of motivation, pray about it. Ask for what you need, right? Ask and it is given on to you. Take what sticks to you, leave the rest. If that's not your vibe, don't worry about it. But it's my vibe. I like a little bit of both. I love that we can work on controlling our minds and influencing how we show up in the world and influencing our results. I also love the idea and the concept that there's something bigger than me, God, angels, universe, that loves me, that cares about me, that wants to help, that is at the ready to help. And that combination of me doing the work plus asking for help is just that magic sauce that I truly feel has brought me to where I am right now. And I'm so grateful for that. To have been an educator that did beat the status quo. I made way more money than anybody ever thought I was going to make in education. And I was so proud to do so, doing work that I was so excited about. I want that for you. I want you to do work that you're so excited about. What is that work? Is it taking care of your child? Is it taking care of others through dentistry? Is it taking care of others through being a DJ or a photographer or an interior designer or a therapist? What is it? What are you feeling called towards? What is that next level self? What is she saying to you? What are they saying to you? What is the next best step? And if you truly believe that it was going to work out, because I truly believed I was going to be a director. Like it was just going to happen. Period, done. Right? Are you bringing that energy to your goals? Of course it's going to happen. Of course I'm going to meet the person. Period. Done. Of course I'm going to be a director. Of course I'm going to be an entrepreneur. Of course the clients are coming through. Period. Done. What kind of energy are you bringing to your life? Because if you trust the process, that energy is very different than an energy of doubt. And it's not that doubt's not allowed. Doubt will show up. But what are you being guided with? Who is leading the way? What is the energy that's guiding how you show up and how you walk towards your goals? Check in. Take what sticks do you leave the rest? I'll see you next time. Hey friend, if you like this podcast, I would love it if you give us a five star rating. Share it with your friends. If you're interested in one on one coaching, if this podcast resonates with you and you're ready for some one on one support, support for you and your journey. Go ahead to nandicamille.com to learn more or head over to nandicamille.as.me to sign up for your free discovery call.